Theo Von, one of the podcast bros who helped Donald Trump return to the White House, is now finding himself nodding along with Bernie Sanders—a development that would’ve been unthinkable during the 2024 campaign.

The 45-year-old comedian hosted the democratic socialist senator from Vermont on his podcast This Past Weekend, and according to The Daily Beast, Von appears to be gradually distancing himself from MAGA a year into Trump’s second term.

WHY IT MATTERS: Von isn’t just some random podcaster—he’s part of the influential “podcast bro” ecosystem that proved crucial to Trump’s 2024 victory. These long-form conversations with hosts like Von, Joe Rogan, and others helped Trump reach millions of young male voters who don’t consume traditional news media.

If Von is souring on Trump, it’s a signal that even the president’s media allies might be getting restless.

THE DETAILS: During the interview, Sen. Sanders described how Trump was turning ICE into his personal, military police force. He said, “this is what Trumpism is about. It’s intimidation.”

Von replied simply, “I agree, Trump has an authoritarian energy.”

ZOOM OUT: This isn’t happening in a vacuum. Trump has been having a rough stretch internationally, with world leaders reportedly snubbing him and the president going on what The Daily Beast called a “manic 50-post rampage” on social media in response. When your media allies start breaking ranks to chat with Bernie Sanders, it suggests the cracks in the coalition are becoming harder to ignore.

BOTTOM LINE: The podcast bros giveth, and the podcast bros might taketh away. Von’s apparent pivot shows that even Trump’s unconventional media supporters aren’t guaranteed loyalists—and with midterms approaching, that could spell trouble for a president who relied heavily on these voices to reach voters traditional campaigns couldn’t touch.